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21 April 2008

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Neil

Firstly, an introduction, I work in online advertising and manage a very successful (and growing) behavioural targeting product for the UKs leading network. I am therefore both bias, and informed (inphormed?).

Phorm will be a competitor to our business, but we welcome them; the more competition, the more stringent the standards and the more everyone in the industry will be audited, checked and scrutinised. We win, advertisers win, consumers win.

Inside the industry, these privacy issues are largely irrelevant. Yeah, yeah, of course I would say that, right? Seriously though, all we know (actually, all we knew) was that a computer has seen a URL, or a cookie placed by the site. We know when that happened too. Frightening? Intrusive? By the time the data becomes usable, the actions are in the past, the details of it are gone, it is aggregated to be one of hundreds of thousands of cookies who have also done the action. Still frightening? Still intrusive? Really?

Example: you go to a gadget site. You get a cookie (or, in the case of Phorm, you get recorded into their system). You then get on Facebook chatting about whatever people chat about, and you get an ad for a new mp3 player, or a new TV, or a download service. Would you really prefer to get an ad for shampoo? Really?

Anyway, Phorm are sourcing their data from ISPs. The ISPs need to be above board, so it will be a very visible opt in requred from every user. If you do opt in, you get more targeted ads, and some protection from Phishing types (now there's an issue). If you opt out, you carry on as normal. ISPs are going to make lots of money from the extra revenue this provides, meaning that monthly subscription rates make a smaller percentage of their revenue. I would bet that if, say, less than 50% of people opted in, we could see monthly cash incentives (£5 off your internet bill a month, anyone?).

Who doesn't want that?

Personally, I am more concerned by the new CCTV cameras our parent company have installed in our office.

Nadene Engwell

Go baby! Woo! That's my man! xxx

George

Neil, it's the visibility of the opt in/opt out process that worries me! especially given the fact that privacy issues are "largely irrelevant in the industry". Currently, only Carphone Warehouse have a policy that gives customers a choice, while BT and Virgin automatically enrol anyone who has not explicitly asked to be excluded. Whether user data is accessible or lost in millions of cookies, their actions cannot be excused.

Neil

Given my last meeting with the company involved, that last entry is factually incorrect.

George

So in that case, why haven't they asked the BBC to retract this "factually incorrect" comment? Concerns have already been raised this week about what they consider to be "inphormed consent", only giving hints that most ISPs will choose an opt-out solution. Phorm are now spending time educating security vendors on how the system works, hoping to salvage some respect. But the truth is, they were underhanded in the first place.

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